Friend or Foe?

22 May

Javed Ghamidi, is a renowned islamic scholar, founding president of a well-known institute of Islamic Sciences Al-Mawrid   situated in Lahore and a member of Council of Islamic Ideology, a constitutional body responsible for giving legal advice on Islamic issues to Government and the Parliament.

Wanna know more? Lets see what wikipedia can tell us about Javed Ghamidi. Although I’ve been seeing his programs, interviews on sensitive issues like hijaab, interest and so on, for quite some time now, even then all i need to say about him is that he has yet to prove himself!  because even n don’t know much about him to say more. This seems to explain it pretty well.
Mr.Ghamidi He tries to explain everything by intellect, logic or aql and he seems to have a problem with a majority of the hadith, however islam comes with narration or naql not just with intellect or aql.

One thing that is truly commendable about him is his ever emphasis on decency and decorum of good manners which separates him from the rest but on the other hand there are a couple of issues ehich i would like to mention here on which i don’t agree with his point-of-view.

1> The hijaab issue. i Don’t think that the aayat of the Holy Quran was only refering to the wives of the Holy Prophet Hazrat Mohammad Mustafa PBUH.

According to the Holy Quran, Surah Al-Ahzab (The Coalition) 33, verse 59:
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
(we’ll dicuss it later in deatil)

2> Music being halal generally.

3> I don’t think that islam allows females to lead a mixed prayer or do immamat and i have ample backing to support it, which will be discussed soon insha ALLAH.
Ghamidi’s point-of-view is this.

My final point is that Islam is not meant for just educated people only. Its message is simple, something which can be understood by everyone. Just looking for a highly intellectual person to find you answeres sometimes does more bad than good. After all many of the worlds most famous atheists were also well known intellectuals of their time. When you listen to someone don’t like him because you like what he is saying and want to make it easy on yourself. You have to look into t he matter in-depth keeping in mind that there are only two filters, Quran and Saheeh-Hadith and then make a decision as you will be answerable for your judgements in your life-here-after.

May the Almighty provide us with willful understanding and keep us safe from joining the slanderers of this world.  Aameen!


12 Responses to “Friend or Foe?”

  1. yet_to_know_guy May 22, 2007 at 7:45 PM #

    This entry is complete misrepresentation of Ghamidi’s point of view. Regarding hijab, Ghamidi explains clearly that the quoted verse is for all women and whenever such conditions will arise (as mentioned in Qur’an), Muslim women will take actions to counter it, but this verse is not for pardaah, but for distinction as Qur’an explains itself (kindly see . Regarding Music, he puts condition of without lewdness and polytheism. And for the last response to mixed gender prayer, I would just recommend the author to look at the writings of Imam Shafi’i’s both students allow this explicitly and similarly Al-Tabari holds the same position. Ghamidi position on this stance looks strange because we never read scholarly stuff and discuss things in the light of our general perception of religion. IMHO! May Allah give guidance to all of us. Ameen!

  2. yet_to_know_guy May 22, 2007 at 7:50 PM #

    Just a quick note for all those who wants to know about Ghamidi stance on hadith, which he has discussed with Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman and Hafiz Abdul-ur-Rasheed Azhar, is a must see. In this debate, all agreed and admired Ghamidi’s knowledge and no one disagreed with him as his knowledge is very good and has a in depth knowledge of our previous Islamic jurisprudence as well. (unfortunately, it is in Urdu)

  3. haya May 22, 2007 at 9:29 PM #

    well i have to say the thing about mixed prayer that it is not at any point agreeable.It doesnt matter if some scholars say it.Dont u have least of ur own sense to filter out whats wrong adn whats wrong.On the day of judgement i guess u wud be saying that SOME SCHOLAR SAID so thats y i belived in him.

    Every AALim is not a person of deep knowledge always.He is as human as everyone else.And can make mistakes.Some give suggestions as they think so.But it is not to be followed always.Even if schoalers r there, we still have a QURAN and HADEETh as our parameter.I knwo no GHAMDI i know only QURAN AND SUNNAT.

    coming back to GHAMDI.well i know personally one of his aqcuintances and she says it herself that GHAMDI tells many things against ISLAM but says it in such light that mat not stir many people to think.

    i have also seen some of his programes but i dont find them very exciting nor of par excellence.

  4. Shaheen May 22, 2007 at 9:29 PM #

    As far as my understanding about Ghamdi and i have read about his views and once actually i had a chance to hear him in seminar in which me and my friend had argument when he said music is halal.

    Actually Ghamdi is one of those “Ulema SU” who r damaging Islam and teaching of Islam from inside and misguiding ppl.
    May Allah protect Islam and Muslims from these kind of Ulemas. Aameen

  5. ~Poison~ May 22, 2007 at 10:24 PM #

    well i agree with u that Ghamdi he has yet to prove and IMprove himself about Islamic knowledge. his views are totally messed up. i think they are taking their own Weird direction . He is going at any length to Prove that ISlam is totally In Accordance with the western civilization and the rules of modern society. whether he is doing it deliberately (to mislead people) or undelibrately, only Allah knows , but he surely is not doing any good for his own self and for the people in general.

  6. yet_to_know_guy May 23, 2007 at 10:01 AM #

    @haya. There can be disagreement or ikhtilaaf in religious understanding. Regarding, Imam Shafi’is students and Al-Tabari, all base their opinion on ahadith found in Abu Dawood and Sunan Ahmad bin Humbal. These ahadith are looked differently by many scholars. But the bottom line is, you can interpret or give another explanation for those ahadith, but there is no hadith which can positively support the conclusion that women cannot lead the prayer. And just for the sake of knowledge, Imam Shafi’is methodology follows stricktly only Sahih hadith to find Sunnah while other Imam differ and they consider other sources of traditions as Sunnah as well.

  7. Momekh May 23, 2007 at 2:00 PM #

    excellent piece.
    Very well written, mashAllah. Balanced and straight.
    I think the actual problem is our inherent search for perfection, and of simplicity. That is why we have such heavy emphasis on ‘taqleed’ i.e. the following of one ‘imaam’ on all matters of fiqh/jurisprudence/law. Taqleed in this strict sense is, I think, wrong. It seems that one ought to gather the positives and ignore the negatives. By negatives, I mean relying on someone else’s knowledge completely and not researching on your own.

    Ghamidi saab has a lot of controversy wrapped around him, and a lot of people are objecting to what he as to say. As far as I am concerned, that is not worrisome at all. A lot of people whom we now consider to be great and holy were considered heretics and even kaafirs by their own contemperories (Shah Wali Ullah and Allama Iqbal, for example). But yes, Ghamidi saab’s interpretations are sometimes way too radical, yet some of his interpretations, such as the one on State Laws, and the one on Huddod Ordinance is by far the most academically practical and very well founded.

    There is no ‘perfect scholar’. No one can satisfy everybody. It seems that we are looking for someone who can. Every scholar has something to say that just doesn’t go down with what you believe, and what you believe may be either on rational grounds or relying completely on the essential make-belief, the very initial stages of Faith itself!.

    The bottom line here, I think, is that of learning with an open mind. All the while ensuring that having an open mind does not lead to having holes in one’s head! 🙂

  8. Shaheen May 23, 2007 at 2:03 PM #

    @ yet_to _know_guy!!
    yes there is a room for disagreement and there is in all four madhahib, as u said. But there is no room for new innovation or new “discovery”. All four Imams made their point on Shah Sitta (6 authentic books) . Making his own conclusion by differing all pervious Ulemas and Ijmaa is what he is doing, he even said that there is no compulsion of “mahram” for a woman to go for Hajj

  9. yet_to_know_guy May 23, 2007 at 11:54 PM #

    @shaheen I don’t believe in taqleed, and this is not a concept coming from Qur’an or Sunnah. To believe that these four schools of thought have extracted everything good in Qur’an and Sunnah is a self-made concept which make these Imams, prophets. And confusing ijma of ‘Ulama with ijma of Ummah is a big mistake as former is a de-facto standard and the latter is sanctioned by Allah and the God.

  10. yet_to_know_guy May 23, 2007 at 11:56 PM #

    mistake in my previous post: sanctioned by Allah and the *Prophet.

  11. Shaheen May 24, 2007 at 2:07 PM #

    Then what do U believe??? Taqleed is not a blind taqleed whatever said by Imam just follow it without knowing the actual thing or reasons. Those Imams done the best they could but they have also said if anyone find anything which is not according to Quran and Sunnah then you can throw it on the wall. Ijma Ummah is made by Ulema of Ummah not by ordinary ppl cuz ordinary Muslims do not have such a good knowledge regarding Quran and Sunnah.
    Any Muslim can make his own ijtihaad but there r certain rules to follow before making Ijtihad. If it is not done before then u have to complete research on it and then make the very best solution from Quran and Sunnah. If the ijtihaad has been done before and it is according to Quran and Sunnah than u MUST follow it.

    This is another debate…u see
    Here which is concerned is that Javed Ghamdi is molding our beliefs and by this actually differing from Ijma Ummah in many issues like Beard, Music and even some taboos which i do not need to discuss here. It’s such disgusting thing. Even i red an answer from his follower that a Muslim girl can marry a Hindu guy..
    It is unacceptable in any situation.

  12. |eemz May 24, 2007 at 2:22 PM #

    @ yet_to_know_guy :
    Firstly brother, what do u mean by “if such conditions will arise” haan?
    It happns so many times that even if your wearing decent cloths, head covered with dupatta yet you find so many people ready to drop you to your home,are they just being nice? i don’t think so. And just look at the kind of things the media is projecting and the kind of open atmosphere provided, it is very difficult to resist the temptation of going out there and letting yourself free. In the process you lose focus of what you are sent here for and why this life is a test for us.Look at what Geo has bought into our households in terms of semi naked fashion shows, dramas in which cheating on each other seems to be the objective, all the crap about indian celebrity projection, un-islamic dresses and this is happening all throughout the Muslim world and we need to wake up before we find out those around us have been infected.Muslims these days are looking for ways out. At no point has the pressure to break free been more intense. By breaking free I mean letting go of our values and enjoying life as they put it.But every being is responsible for the decision he or she makes. This is the beauty of free will. So one should think very carefully and realize where such people can take us.
    As far as women leading a mixed prayer is concerned,The Quran does not address this issue directly; relevant precedents are therefore sought for in the traditions,the sunnah,actions of Muhammad (including but not limited to hadith) is a more general source of precedent,and immamat of a mixed gathering maynot be allowed or maybe disliked but allowed as there are no reports of it happening in Muhammad’ PBUH time same as, there are also no reliable reports of his forbidding it.
    @ haya:
    I couldn’t agree more. 🙂
    So true beacause in the end everyone of us wil be answerable for ‘his’ judgements. No learned scholar or a wolf in sheep’s clothing, people we look upto or consider them our mentor will be awarded or punished respectively in the life-here-after.

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